Matt: I've been involved in the credit markets for 35 years, as a portfolio manager and as a research analyst. Over that time, nothing has changed, and everything has changed. What do I mean by that? The one constant is that credit risk is credit risk. No matter how it is packaged, whether it's a corporate bond and trading in the public market, an asset backed security, or a private security. This is why we believe there is no replacement for independent and rigorous due diligence when it comes to active credit investing.
Matt: The private market now more or less mirrors the public market in terms of the breadth of sectors and securities offered. We're even seeing a secondary market develop for certain parts of the private market, most notably on the investment grade credit side and then extending down to the non-investment grade market. All this is blurring the lines between private and public, and it's creating a lot of opportunities for investors that can straddle between these two markets.
Chris: As the lines between public and private markets continue to blur, this convergence plays into Loomis Sayles strengths, which is built on a foundation of credit discipline, research and relationships.
Chris: Because we invest across the public and private credit markets, our teams see opportunities early before they become more broadly visible. We leverage deep relationships with both issuers and intermediaries and combine this with our global credit research platform.
That combination allows us to evaluate value and risk across the full credit spectrum.
Matt: The heart of this integrated approach is a common pipeline. No matter where a deal originates from, whether it's public or private markets, it is funneled through our common pipeline.
Alessandro: the mortgage and structured finance team now has a $29 billion portfolio comprising consumer assets, real estate assets and various forms of equipment assets. Over the last 20 years, we have invested in over $100 billion of this type of assets, which allowed us to develop a deep connection with the full ecosystem of lenders and borrowers that populate the space. These assets are financed by banks, by the public structured finance market and more increasingly in the private credit markets. To us, we're somewhat indifferent to which parts of the market the assets are being financed, because we have an understanding of the full ecosystem. So we're uniquely positioned to pick the mispricing among the various different pricing sources.
Chris: We at Loomis Sayles are investors first, and one could say we're agnostic to the origination source. Our primary focus is identifying the opportunities that offer the strongest risk-adjusted returns.
Matt: The most compelling opportunities are assigned to a deal team, which consists of a group of research analysts that are selected from more than 100 of our specialized investment professionals.
Deals that make it through our due diligence process are then assessed under our unified risk premium methodology. The goal here is to quantify and unpack the risk premium into its different components, which includes market risk, specific risk, liquidity risk and complexity risk. Take, for example, the case of a high yield public bond. The first step is to examine the market risk premium that's available in the high yield market.
From here, we can take the spread of the high yield bond and compare it to other bonds that have a similar profile in terms of its rating and industry cohort. Deals that screen cheap under this methodology have the potential to build alpha in our portfolios. If that same high yield bond can be a private deal, we could take the spread and convert it into its public bond equivalent and go through the same relative value process. This process gives us a clear understanding of how much we're earning from a risk premium for every bond that we invest in.
Chris: We apply the same institutional grade research, risk and valuation methodology across all our portfolios. In an environment where private markets can feel opaque, this transparency leads to confidence and better investment decision making.
Alessandro: At Loomis Sayles, we created an integrated desk that hosts analysts and traders working side by side to address the complexity of these securities, and ultimately, they generate three important metrics, proprietary credit risk rating, proprietary liquidity score and a relative value score. So these three elements is really what allows the portfolio manager to pick the securities that best fit the portfolio.